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Should police accept license from the three states giving license to illegals as proof of status?

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Should police accept license from the three states giving license to illegals as proof of status?

Postby dana » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:45 am

Since all these illegals run to Utah, Washington and New Mexico to get license, should they be accepted as any kind of proof of status?
Should people holding these license be looked at more carefully when pulled over? Especially if they are in another state?
How can these illegals who have these license be found out, any suggestions?



3 states see jump in licenses for illegals

BURIEN, Wash. - Carlos Hernandez packed up his family and left Arizona after the state passed its sweeping immigration crackdown. The illegal immigrant's new home outside Seattle offered something Arizona could not: a driver's license.

Three states - Washington, New Mexico and Utah - allow illegal immigrants to get licenses because their laws do not require proof of citizenship or legal residency. An Associated Press analysis found that those states have seen a surge in immigrants seeking IDs in recent months, a trend experts attribute to crackdowns on illegal immigration in Arizona and elsewhere.

"It's difficult being undocumented and not having an identification," said Hernandez, of Puebla, Mexico. "You can use the Mexican ID, but people look down on it."

An American driver's license is also a requirement for many jobs.

The immigration debate has thrown a spotlight on the license programs, which supporters say make financial sense because unlicensed drivers typically do not carry car insurance. Opponents insist the laws attract illegal immigrants and criminals.

"Washington state and New Mexico have been magnet states for the fraudulent document brokers, human traffickers and alien smugglers for years," said Brian Zimmer, president of the Coalition for a Secure Driver's License, a nonprofit research group in Washington, D.C.

State officials in New Mexico dispute that claim.

He said there is mounting evidence that the spike in license applications is a result of pressure on immigrants in states such as Arizona and Oklahoma, where police have been authorized to help enforce federal immigration laws.

Republican lawmakers in New Mexico and Washington state have pushed to tighten the laws in recent years, only to be thwarted by Democrats. The issue is less heated in Utah, where illegal immigrant licenses carry only driving privileges. People cannot use the IDs to board a plane, get a job or buy alcohol, for example.

Candidates in New Mexico's governor's race have made the licenses a campaign theme, with the Republican saying she would revoke IDs granted to illegal and legal immigrants since the state enacted the law in 2003. The Democratic candidate opposes illegal-immigrant licenses but prefers a softer approach.

The AP analysis of data in the three states revealed some striking numbers: The rate of licenses issued to immigrants during the 10 weeks that followed approval of the Arizona law reflected a 60 percent increase over the annual average for last year.

By comparison, the rate of licenses issued to non-immigrants during the same period increased only modestly.

Among the other findings:

• New Mexico issued 10,257 licenses to immigrants through the first six months of 2010, compared with 13,481 for all of 2009. The pace has intensified since April, when neighboring Arizona passed its immigration law. The figures include both illegal immigrants and legal residents from outside the U.S.

• New Mexico issued about 417 licenses a week to immigrants from the day after Arizona passed its law through July 1. That is a big jump from the 323 per week it was issuing from Jan. 1 to the day before the law passed.

• Utah handed out 41,000 illegal immigrant licenses for 2010 through June 7, compared with 43,429 for all of 2008.

• Washington granted 3,200 licenses to people from outside the U.S. through June, exceeding the pace of 5,992 for all of 2009.

Hernandez said he and his family moved to Washington because he and his wife were spooked by the Arizona law that requires officers to check a person's immigration status when enforcing other laws. A federal judge has put most of the law on hold, saying it may be unconstitutional.

Hernandez said he knows other illegal immigrants who considered New Mexico because of the ease of getting a license without documents. But he and others thought Washington would be safer.

"I know that it's not OK for people who come here to cross the border, but there's people that come here that want to contribute … that want to follow the rules," said Hernandez, 31.

Posted in Border, Tim-korte-and-manuel-valdes on Saturday, August 14, 2010 12:00 am Updated: 12:03 am.

http://azstarnet.com/news/local/border/article_42106314-4c1f-57a9-a2a8-8a188f117f3c.html
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Postby honi » Thu Mar 31, 2011 8:52 am

I have an idea- states that allow illegal aliens to obtain driver's licenses should be cut off from receiving federal aid until they stop hindering the enforcement of our federal immigration laws. Each time they issue a state driver's license to an illegal immigrant, it makes it that much harder for law enforcement to determine their immigration status; so, if the funds stop coming in to those states, you can bet the illegals won't be granted anymore licenses there.
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Postby jolie » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:03 am

No - that's ridiculous. How do you know illegals go there for lisences? There's a lot of assuming on here.
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Postby nemausus36 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:10 am

So you don't want cops to do their job correctly, and you want them to profile people? Are you from Arizona?

What next? you want them to abuse Mexicans, and allow them to get away with it to.
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Postby honi » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:20 am

So you want cops from other states to profile people from these 3 states? What about Tabbitha the illegal from Canada, how exactly are cops going to profile her? or are you just concerned about the brown ones?
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Postby lorimar » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:24 am

It's a US license! how can cops deny them?
And you are asking if they should profile those drivers? How sad are you.
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Postby lorimar » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:28 am

"I know that it's not OK for people who come here to cross the border, but there's people that come here that want to contribute … that want to follow the rules," said Hernandez, 31.

I wonder if the guy really said that or if some sypathetic reporter made up that quote. Nobody immigramtes to the US legally or illegally because they want to contribute. They come either to join family or to make money and enjoy a higher standard of living. There's nothing wrong with either goal - I myself lived overseas in two countries for many years because I wanted the cultural experience and because I made a decent salary. Productive workers do contribute, but people who toil in low wage jobs like cutting up chicken carcasses in a Tyson plant or washing dishes in a Shoneys restaurant do not do these jobs to contribute. They do them because they need the money and can't get a job that pays more or offers better working conditions.

Canonizing undocumented immigrants is no better than demonizing them. Reporters who deliberately craft stories to paint undocumented immigrants in the most flattering light intended to evoke sympathy usually provoke a backlash instead as readers know they are being manipulated.
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Postby ealahweemah72 » Thu Mar 31, 2011 9:30 am

Licenses from those states should be checked out. Especially since we all now know you don't need proof of anything to receive a DL there.

"We don't feel safe in Arizona anymore. We just want to live without fear as we live here in the U.S. illegally." WHAT?!
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