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How many of you still want social health care?

Postby ealahweemah72 » Thu Apr 19, 2001 11:44 am

Look at all these problems with government run health-care....please tell me you do not want obamacare after reading this!!!

1.There isn't a single government agency or division that runs efficiently; do we really want an organization that developed the U.S. Tax Code handling something as complex as health care?

2."Free" health care isn't really free since we must pay for it with taxes; expenses for health care would have to be paid for with higher taxes or spending cuts in other areas such as defense, education, etc.

3.Profit motives, competition, and individual ingenuity have always led to greater cost control and effectiveness.

4.Government-controlled health care would lead to a decrease in patient flexibility.

5.Patients aren't likely to curb their drug costs and doctor visits if health care is free; thus, total costs will be several times what they are now.

6.Just because Americans are uninsured doesn't mean they can't receive health care; nonprofits and government-run hospitals provide services to those who don't have insurance, and it is illegal to refuse emergency medical service because of a lack of insurance.

7.Government-mandated procedures will likely reduce doctor flexibility and lead to poor patient care.

8.Healthy people who take care of themselves will have to pay for the burden of those who smoke, are obese, etc.

9.A long, painful transition will have to take place involving lost insurance industry jobs, business closures, and new patient record creation.

10.Loss of private practice options and possible reduced pay may dissuade many would-be doctors from pursuing the profession.

11.Malpractice lawsuit costs, which are already sky-high, could further explode since universal care may expose the government to legal liability, and the possibility to sue someone with deep pockets usually invites more lawsuits.

12.Government is more likely to pass additional restrictions or increase taxes on smoking, fast food, etc., leading to a further loss of personal freedoms.

13.Patient confidentiality is likely to be compromised since centralized health information will likely be maintained by the government.

14.Health care equipment, drugs, and services may end up being rationed by the government. In other words, politics, lifestyle of patients, and philosophical differences of those in power, could determine who gets what.

15.Patients may be subjected to extremely long waits for treatment.

16.Like social security, any government benefit eventually is taken as a "right" by the public, meaning that it's politically near impossible to remove or curtail it later on when costs get out of control.

i found this at http://www.balancedpolitics.org/universal_health_care.htm

there are 7 pros and 16 cons so the cons out number the pros! how can anyone still want government run health-care??? how??
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Postby zacchaeus21 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:30 pm

Look at all these problems with government run health-care....please tell me you do not want obamacare after reading this!!!

1.There isn't a single government agency or division that runs efficiently; do we really want an organization that developed the U.S. Tax Code handling something as complex as health care?

2."Free" health care isn't really free since we must pay for it with taxes; expenses for health care would have to be paid for with higher taxes or spending cuts in other areas such as defense, education, etc.

3.Profit motives, competition, and individual ingenuity have always led to greater cost control and effectiveness.

4.Government-controlled health care would lead to a decrease in patient flexibility.

5.Patients aren't likely to curb their drug costs and doctor visits if health care is free; thus, total costs will be several times what they are now.

6.Just because Americans are uninsured doesn't mean they can't receive health care; nonprofits and government-run hospitals provide services to those who don't have insurance, and it is illegal to refuse emergency medical service because of a lack of insurance.

7.Government-mandated procedures will likely reduce doctor flexibility and lead to poor patient care.

8.Healthy people who take care of themselves will have to pay for the burden of those who smoke, are obese, etc.

9.A long, painful transition will have to take place involving lost insurance industry jobs, business closures, and new patient record creation.

10.Loss of private practice options and possible reduced pay may dissuade many would-be doctors from pursuing the profession.

11.Malpractice lawsuit costs, which are already sky-high, could further explode since universal care may expose the government to legal liability, and the possibility to sue someone with deep pockets usually invites more lawsuits.

12.Government is more likely to pass additional restrictions or increase taxes on smoking, fast food, etc., leading to a further loss of personal freedoms.

13.Patient confidentiality is likely to be compromised since centralized health information will likely be maintained by the government.

14.Health care equipment, drugs, and services may end up being rationed by the government. In other words, politics, lifestyle of patients, and philosophical differences of those in power, could determine who gets what.

15.Patients may be subjected to extremely long waits for treatment.

16.Like social security, any government benefit eventually is taken as a "right" by the public, meaning that it's politically near impossible to remove or curtail it later on when costs get out of control.

i found this at http://www.balancedpolitics.org/universal_health_care.htm

there are 7 pros and 16 cons so the cons out number the pros! how can anyone still want government run health-care??? how??
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Postby delton » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:44 pm

I don't and even if I can keep my own option I don't want to pay for someone else. I'm fully covered, I rarely ever go to the doctor, I hate pills even antibiotics, aspirin, etc, I'm a vegetarian, I rarely ever drink, I don't smoke nor do I do drugs and I excercise 7 days a week. My family has no history of medical problems and I donate plenty of money to my church and other charitable causes. I don't care that some malcontent doesn't have a health plan or halth insurance through their job. That's their problem; that's individualism. Individualism is the main point of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. If someone wants to help others, join a church and/or donate to charitable causes. I'm tired of people turning to the government for all their answers.
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Postby hurst » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:45 pm

I'm not going to pick every point apart, but suffice to say you'd have to look pretty far to find someone as ignorant on the subject as you are.
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Postby werner72 » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:50 pm

You can KEEP the plan you have!!!!!

PAY ATTENTION!!!!
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Postby oakley » Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:56 pm

Sorry, but this beats the heck over the plans we now have available!

I pay $1800 a year for insurance that covers $500 worth of claims per year! I need to have insurance now in order to purchase more later.

The insurance companies are screwing us big-time. We need reform now.

Yes! Let our government get involved! I cannot afford to pay what the Docs want. Granted, they deserve what is owed to them, but I cannot afford to pay them!
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Postby tim » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:09 pm

I still want universal health care. We are the only industrialized country on Earth that don't provide health care to it's people. I have a 2 questions for you. 1. Why is it that other than 3rd world nations, nobody would want to switch their health care system for ours? 2. Do you work for or own stock in any health provider in this country?
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Postby banys » Thu Apr 07, 2011 5:26 pm

You forgot one. WE CANNOT AFFORD THIS! NO WAY ..NO HOW.

There is not enough credible and honest leadership in this government to even THINK OF IT! This government is full of LIES and deceit and dishonest illusions! They accomplish NOTHING and can't work well with others.

NO way would this work in a hostile and dishonest environment.

WE CANNOT AFFORD IT. We borrow 1 BILLION dollars a day from CHNA...WE DO NOT HAVE THE MONEY.

They want to collapse medicare and medicaid to take care of illegals and those that can work. They want to take it from the seniors, handicapped and children!

It is CRAZY! YOU DEMS LISTEN....we cannot keep our plan. Business have spoken out about this in that they would not be able to afford benefits and would drop them. So then we HAVE NO CHOICE! EVERYTHING WILL BE GOVERNMENT RUN!

You dems should really wake up...and LISTEN to more than the liberals!
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