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Help! Reversing The Effects Of Iron Palm

Postby Ogelsvy » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:26 pm

I come to you in this email asking for sincere help in a matter

which

> is effecting both my physical and emotional life...and I feel has

something

> to do with practicing iron palm. I first bought Mr. Gray's book "Complete

> Iron palm" and though I did somewhat heeded his warnings on self-teaching

> oneself Iron Palm , I wanted to be careful in practicing, but I regret to

> inform you that I did not use any Iron Palm Liniment in the process as I

> thought that not pracitcing every day would be fine at least for a short

> amount of time(as I only would practice about 1-2 times a week with

> sporadic weeks of doing nothing in between them for a period of about 6

> months experimenting with how it effects the bones and the hand within my

> martial arts studies. As a seperate endevour I also got into healing arts

> with hands in the form of Reiki and also studied into auras and chakras

and

> then truly saw meaning of the term "poison hands". My hands are not

> physically damaged but it feels like the hand chakra meridian to the heart

>(which are suppossed to be connected) has been altered/damaged in the

> process and now a mental action which used to send out positive healthy

chi

> energy now sends out negative destructive energy(example, when I'd do

Reiki

> "healing" I was actually concentrating negative chi energy into the area

of

> the person thus causing actual harm, this caused me personal

discomfort/pain

> for some time until I realized the source of the problem was in my hands)

At

> this point my hands have a noticable amount of small marks on them from

> training with wood without linement but othe rthan that normal sensitivity

> of my hands has been at least mostly restored, yet I want to be able to

not

> have to worry about negative chi seeping out of my hands like it does now

>(it almost feels like it 'leaks' out of my hand's pores) so I can truly

> focus on my healing arts. I have not done Iron Palm in roughly 4 months

now

> yet I still have this problem. In other words, How can I if not totally

but

> at least mostly reverse the effects iron palm both physically and

> emotionally(to my bodies natual energy system). DO I just buy some

liniment

> and continue healing and the energy meridians will naturally heal or is

> there a better/possible method to return my hands to their normal state

> before practicing iron palm ? ANY help would be GREATLY appreciated....

>

> Regards,

> Stephan S.

P.s. I know energy is considered neither negative or positive by some, but whatever my hands eminate are OBVIOUSLY causing bad things to happen to whatever they touch ie. pain, suffering, and I just want my normal hands back!
Ogelsvy
 
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Help! Reversing The Effects Of Iron Palm

Postby Stanly » Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:39 pm

Dear Stephan, Thank you for your question and for choosing allexperts.  

The Iron Palm liniment is, indeed, for your protection, it keeps your hands healed of any minor injuries that could turn into major injuries.  At the same time it accelerates your conditioning and takes you to levels you could not achieve without it.  I would not, as you say, "experiment" with my hands.  This is a process that has been laid out in a prescribed fashion for a reason and to deviate it from it could , as you have found, be an unpleasant experience.  It is important that you take the "lessons" that have been made available to you by those who have come before you.  They have been where you were and know where you need to go.  They are more than just teachers, they are signposts, guides that point in the direction you need to go.  I have told people many times before that it does not matter where you have been before or what you have done before, when you choose a teacher you follow their rules or you seek a different teacher. It is not "Burger King", you can't have it your way.  There is an old saying which goes "it is my way or the highway", this applies in a martial arts school for a number of reasons.  One reason is that there is one authority at a school, don't question it, it is inappropriate and is not tolerated or won't be tolerated long.  It is also done for safety and much of what you may do is for a long term goal.  There will be immediate results in some areas to be sure, but there are also long term goals that will be lost if you do not do as you are instructed.  You would not seek out a surgeon who is a specialist in an area and then presume to tell him how to operate on you, no, you trust them and follow their directions.  If you can't do that then you seek out someone whose direction you can follow, doing anything else wastes both their time and your time.

Having said all that, I would start using a dit da jow now to try and negate some of the damage which has already been done.  But I seriously doubt that will address all that you may have done to your hands at this point.  I would also suggest that you seek out a qualified acupuncturist and/or herbalist because, as stated before, you have probably done damage that cannot be remedied by just applications of Dit Da Jow alone.  You are seeking, once again, to do it your way and "experiment" at self fixing this problem, that is what brought you to the place you are at.  Some may look at this(Kung-Fu) as a hobby or some other endeavor that they don't have to take too seriously, but you need reconsider and think again.  This is serious and deviating from the prescribed methods and "going it on your own" can only cause problems as you have found.

There is a thing called "intention" when you strike, your intention is to do varying degrees of harm or to not harm at all.  Sometimes slaps can also be used to heal by releasing stagnant energy.  Doing Reiki and being into chakra's and aura's and whatever else is all well and good but these do come from different backgrounds and, as a consequence, do have differences.  They maybe perceived as minor ones, but they are differences none the less.  These differences do not invalidate one way or make one way less or more better than the other.  But they are different "pathways".  It is like taking a recipe for Mexican food and trying to make it wish French ingredients.  Or thinking that you like spicy foods and pastry so why not add some cayenne peppers to your favorite pastry, what you get will not taste right and will be wrong.

You say that your hands are not physically damaged but all that you are describing to me is clearly physical damage.  There are several meridians which through and to the hands.  There are five meridians that go into each finger which corresponds with five major organs.  If you cause damage this damage may seek out your "weak link", they area of your body that is weakest and it will do it's greatest damage there.  I have a feeling that you are differentiating between physical and energy in describing any perceived damage but the two are connected, one cannot escape affecting the other.  One directly and profoundly affects the other, it is like the Yin and Yang symbol, they are connected.  You also describe "noticeable small marks" on your hands, that is physical damage.  Iron Palm done correctly, and as you are instructed to do it, leaves no marks and no damage.  So, once again, you are saying you do not have damage when all that you say clearly indicates that you do.

You are right, I do not believe in "negative" versus "positive" energy.  There is Yin and Yang energy - Male and Female, hard and soft, light and dark, dry and wet.  But not good and bad - if you think that one of those is good and bad they surely you can do without the bad one, right?  so which would you discard?  Male or female?  take one from the other and you are going to have trouble propagating the species.  Light or dark?  A lot of nocturnal creatures will die because they have no more night to hunt in and the cycle of night and day that allows a rest period will be gone to.  Dry or wet?  Take wet away all together, as with the rain, and you will have many things drying up and dying and many things dying of thirst.  Those are just a few simple illustrations.  It is simply the energy in your body and what you do with it determines if it is being used in a "negative" way or a "positive" way.  In a fashion that is destructive or a fashion that is constructive.  And bear in mind that what is destructive is not always negative and what is constructive is not always positive.  That, however, is a lengthy deviation from the subject at hand.  This does not mean that there are good and bad or good and bad things, but you are getting into some problematic areas in trying to use Yin and Yang to categorize it.  

You indicated that "I was actually concentrating negative chi energy into the area of the person thus causing actual harm".  You may recall that I mentioned earlier that this has to do with your intention.  You have stated that your were "concentrating negative chi energy".  I don't want to sound overly simplistic but it is, you need to make your intention to concentrate positive energy, it has to do with intention.

It sounds as if you have "done a little" Iron Palm(and that from a book) and you have also, as a side and separate endeavor decided to try to learn healing techniques with your hands along with a little bit of a few other energetic practices from other arts(and 6 months to 1 year does qualify as a very little bit).  You need to focus on one thing and complete it, see it to a point where you can now try something else.  But if you decide, like many people do, to try all these different fads and flavor of the month ideas and trends you will end up with results that are mediocre at best and possibly even with negative results.  There is a phrase which is "Jack of all trades and master of none".

You have stated that you have "physical and emotional" damage.  So here you have now stated that you do have physical damage.  As stated before, you can use Dit Da Jow and it will help.  But, as stated before, I'd seek out a acupuncturist and herbalist that can remedy this situation.  As far as emotional damage, I think that is merely perceptual.  You tried something and did not get the results you though you could, would or should, instead you got damage.  You know why, specifically from not following direction, and now you are upset on several levels.  Remedy your physical problem, focus on one thing and master it or come as near to mastering it as possible and then try something new and you will feel better emotionally.

I know that my answer may sound terse but I hope you are accepting it in the fashion in which it is offered, as instruction and they kind of instructing you need to get you on a focused pathway.  I see people time and again arguing with an instructor or telling them "well, you know, where I went before we did it this way and we were told this is the one true way to do it and any other way is wrong".  The inability to follow instruction leads to mistakes, damage, unhappiness, isolation and sterilization, not to mention wasting both the teachers time and your time.  I feel very strongly about this and I think you and anyone that wants to seriously learn something needs to take it seriously as well because the bottom line is this, a teacher values their time and when you argue with them or decide not to follow their instruction or debate them on what they are offering the message is clear, and that message is that you do not value their time or knowledge.  You would not want to hear their message as it would be equally clear.  

I wish you well and the best of luck and if I were you I'd seek out an acupuncturist and/or herbalist to get assistance for the situation you are in.

Sincerely,

Sifu Richard Mieir-King
Stanly
 
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Help! Reversing The Effects Of Iron Palm

Postby Omari » Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:55 pm

I come to you in this email asking for sincere help in a matter

which

> is effecting both my physical and emotional life...and I feel has

something

> to do with practicing iron palm. I first bought Mr. Gray's book "Complete

> Iron palm" and though I did somewhat heeded his warnings on self-teaching

> oneself Iron Palm , I wanted to be careful in practicing, but I regret to

> inform you that I did not use any Iron Palm Liniment in the process as I

> thought that not pracitcing every day would be fine at least for a short

> amount of time(as I only would practice about 1-2 times a week with

> sporadic weeks of doing nothing in between them for a period of about 6

> months experimenting with how it effects the bones and the hand within my

> martial arts studies. As a seperate endevour I also got into healing arts

> with hands in the form of Reiki and also studied into auras and chakras

and

> then truly saw meaning of the term "poison hands". My hands are not

> physically damaged but it feels like the hand chakra meridian to the heart

>(which are suppossed to be connected) has been altered/damaged in the

> process and now a mental action which used to send out positive healthy

chi

> energy now sends out negative destructive energy(example, when I'd do

Reiki

> "healing" I was actually concentrating negative chi energy into the area

of

> the person thus causing actual harm, this caused me personal

discomfort/pain

> for some time until I realized the source of the problem was in my hands)

At

> this point my hands have a noticable amount of small marks on them from

> training with wood without linement but othe rthan that normal sensitivity

> of my hands has been at least mostly restored, yet I want to be able to

not

> have to worry about negative chi seeping out of my hands like it does now

>(it almost feels like it 'leaks' out of my hand's pores) so I can truly

> focus on my healing arts. I have not done Iron Palm in roughly 4 months

now

> yet I still have this problem. In other words, How can I if not totally

but

> at least mostly reverse the effects iron palm both physically and

> emotionally(to my bodies natual energy system). DO I just buy some

liniment

> and continue healing and the energy meridians will naturally heal or is

> there a better/possible method to return my hands to their normal state

> before practicing iron palm ? ANY help would be GREATLY appreciated....

>

> Regards,

> Stephan S.

P.s. I know energy is considered neither negative or positive by some, but whatever my hands eminate are OBVIOUSLY causing bad things to happen to whatever they touch ie. pain, suffering, and I just want my normal hands back!
Omari
 
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