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Could It Get Any Worse? Those Of Us Who Have Medical Insurance Must Rely On The Insurance Company To Give The O.k. For

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Could It Get Any Worse? Those Of Us Who Have Medical Insurance Must Rely On The Insurance Company To Give The O.k. For

Postby Phillip » Wed Feb 12, 2014 6:33 pm

our care, a decision once made by the physician. Recently I had surgery and was told by my doctor, "The insurance company isn't going to let you stay overnight." If these companies don't care about their insured, is it any wonder the uninsured are dying in our hospital emergency rooms?
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Postby Croslea » Wed Feb 19, 2014 10:23 pm

I couldn't agree with you more. It is outrageous that bureaucrats, whose promotions depend on withholding medical care from those who need it, are calling the shots.   As a firm believer in finding cathartic relief via the performing arts, may I share with you two artistic treatments of the outrage you describe, one serious and one outrageously funny:   The Rainmaker(1997) - Matt Damon plays Rudy Baylor, a young rookie lawyer in Memphis who takes on a powerful insurance company(led by a sharklike lawyer played by Jon Voight) by representing the family of a boy who was denied potentially life-saving treatment for leukemia.  [The sleazy Big Insurance Company has denied his claim and betting that they will not press the matter. They bet wrong!]  There?s no mystery about where this plot is going, but Coppola takes us there in high style with a sharp script, and Damon strikes just the right note of naivete and strategic intelligence. When Goliath inevitably falls, this courtroom David wins fair and square.   Toe-to-Toe With the HMO - a hilarious song by the Bitchin? Babes.  Here are the lyrics:   I have this problem with my toe And so I call my HMO With a referral from My primary care physician. They say my call matters to them They?re like an old and trusted friend Except friends don?t make you ask Them for permission.   Now the recording on the phone Says "Leave a message at the tone. Tell us your name, your age, Your reason for submission." So I describe my nail ingrown, Wax poetic on the phone. This is a metaphor For the whole human condition: Tender, Sensitive, Painful. Now I?m listening to Brahms(music to keep the caller calm), Starting to see things from The stockholder?s perspective. Should I stop thinking of myself While they are managing my health, While an accountant finds a treatment That?s cost-effective? Hallelujah, I rejoice! Is this a living human voice? Talking to me Like I?m a sweet, annoying female. I plead my best bureaucratese. I would be down upon my knees ?Cept I?d be leaning on this poor, throbbing toenail: Painful, Purple, Festering. As for my coverage, they say no: This is a pre-existing toe. My policy excludes All things pre-existing. So if I want the claim approved, The toe will have to be removed, Which they believe may keep The problem from persisting.   This makes my doctor quite irate. Why should he have to amputate? In his opinion, this condition could Be better handled. And as for me?I don?t know... I?d kinda like to keep the toe. I spent a fortune on these Gorgeous Gucci sandals - Sexy, Size 6, Retail. I have been waiting patiently. Why aren?t you listening to me? Can?t you see that it?s Trying my endurance? I?m only asking to be heard. "Hostage" is such an ugly word! I would much prefer Living Health Insurance.     I want the orthopedic shoe. I want the Prozac approved, too! This managed care is managing To make me hostile. You?ve put me off far too long! I?ll fix your ass; I?ll write a song About a nine-toed woman Who goes postal! Crazy, Uzi, Bell tower...   You can hear a snippet of the song(Track 4) here:   http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Bitchin-Four-Babes/dp/B00004SQZR/ref=sr_1_4/102-2194791-5206536?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1186161629&sr=1-4     Also, the song is performed on the group?s DVD(see below).     In closing, I urge you not to give up the fight. Sources: my opinion, www.elyrics.net/read/c/camille-west-lyrics/toe-to-toe-with-the-hmo-lyrics.html, www.amazon.com/Beyond-Bitchin-Four-Babes/dp/B00004SQZR/ref=sr_1_4/102-2194791-5206536?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1186161629&sr=1-4   primerib's Recommendations Beyond Bitchin' Amazon List Price: $17.98 Used from: $7.95 Average Customer Rating: 5.0 out of 5(based on 10 reviews) Four Bitchin' Babes - Meet the Babes Amazon List Price: $24.98 Used from: $17.98 Average Customer Rating: 4.5 out of 5(based on 3 reviews) These are worth having for "Toe-to-Toe With the HMO" alone! primerib 78 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.
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Postby Bax » Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:18 pm

Yep, the insurance company wouldn?t pay for it. Thankfully it wasn?t that extremely expensive and we were able to pay for it ourselves but I know that for a lot of people this is not an option. There is no doubt in my mind that insurance companies and HMOs have killed thousands of Americans and no I don?t think that it could get any worse. A lot of politicians carry on about national health care being Socialism but I don?t give a rat?s behind if it is out and out Communism it is time for the US to follow the lead of the rest of the western world and provide health care to all of our people.
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Postby Samson » Thu Feb 27, 2014 10:01 pm

BarbieM said: 1 When my daughter had her tonsils out, we had her surgery pre-approved through insurance. The anesthesiologist had a wreck on the way to the hospital so someone else filled in. Even though the replacement doctor was on the approved list of doctors, our insurance refused to pay because it was an unapproved change. 78 months ago
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Postby On » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:47 am

Unfortunately you are absolutely correct Insurance companies DO dictate the kind of care you are given.  I just had two grandaughters give birth by Cesarean section and they both had to leave in 48 hours. A normal delivery goes home in 24 hours. When Ihad a breast removed 9 years ago I had the surgery at 4:00p.m. and was home at 7:30 p.m.. I had back surgery a year ago(4 discs removed and a rod inserted) and I had to go home after 48 hours and I live alone and was 71 at the time --- that was just awful. I am grateful that I had my chldren many years ago - that was the only vacation I got for many years. I enjoyed those 5 days of peace tremendously pattijon 78 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.
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Postby Alfie » Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:48 pm

I was fortunate enough to be in San Franciso when he made this speech:   http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/04/14/BAG7BP8VJV3.DTL   Food for thought? Time for change?    
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Postby Aminon » Sun Mar 02, 2014 8:10 am

Bill Clinton & the US health care system I was fortunate enough to be in San Franciso when he made this speech:   http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/04/14/BAG7BP8VJV3.DTL   Food for thought? Time for change?     Irishsoul 78 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.
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Postby Pauloc » Mon Mar 03, 2014 10:14 am

Insurance companies DO dictate the kind of care you are given.  I just had two grandaughters give birth by Cesarean section and they both had to leave in 48 hours. A normal delivery goes home in 24 hours. When Ihad a breast removed 9 years ago I had the surgery at 4:00p.m. and was home at 7:30 p.m.. I had back surgery a year ago(4 discs removed and a rod inserted) and I had to go home after 48 hours and I live alone and was 71 at the time --- that was just awful. I am grateful that I had my chldren many years ago - that was the only vacation I got for many years. I enjoyed those 5 days of peace tremendously
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Postby Elton » Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:09 pm

I recently had my doctor tell me that I really needed a certain piece of medical equipment but guess what? Yep, the insurance company wouldn?t pay for it. Thankfully it wasn?t that extremely expensive and we were able to pay for it ourselves but I know that for a lot of people this is not an option. There is no doubt in my mind that insurance companies and HMOs have killed thousands of Americans and no I don?t think that it could get any worse. A lot of politicians carry on about national health care being Socialism but I don?t give a rat?s behind if it is out and out Communism it is time for the US to follow the lead of the rest of the western world and provide health care to all of our people. Sources: my experience and opinion KingofRandomCrap 78 months ago Please sign in to give a compliment. Please verify your account to give a compliment. Please sign in to send a message. Please verify your account to send a message.
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Postby Alon » Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:02 pm

It is outrageous that bureaucrats, whose promotions depend on withholding medical care from those who need it, are calling the shots.   As a firm believer in finding cathartic relief via the performing arts, may I share with you two artistic treatments of the outrage you describe, one serious and one outrageously funny:   The Rainmaker(1997) - Matt Damon plays Rudy Baylor, a young rookie lawyer in Memphis who takes on a powerful insurance company(led by a sharklike lawyer played by Jon Voight) by representing the family of a boy who was denied potentially life-saving treatment for leukemia.  [The sleazy Big Insurance Company has denied his claim and betting that they will not press the matter. They bet wrong!]  There?s no mystery about where this plot is going, but Coppola takes us there in high style with a sharp script, and Damon strikes just the right note of naivete and strategic intelligence. When Goliath inevitably falls, this courtroom David wins fair and square.   Toe-to-Toe With the HMO - a hilarious song by the Bitchin? Babes.  Here are the lyrics:   I have this problem with my toe And so I call my HMO With a referral from My primary care physician. They say my call matters to them They?re like an old and trusted friend Except friends don?t make you ask Them for permission.   Now the recording on the phone Says "Leave a message at the tone. Tell us your name, your age, Your reason for submission." So I describe my nail ingrown, Wax poetic on the phone. This is a metaphor For the whole human condition: Tender, Sensitive, Painful. Now I?m listening to Brahms(music to keep the caller calm), Starting to see things from The stockholder?s perspective. Should I stop thinking of myself While they are managing my health, While an accountant finds a treatment That?s cost-effective? Hallelujah, I rejoice! Is this a living human voice? Talking to me Like I?m a sweet, annoying female. I plead my best bureaucratese. I would be down upon my knees ?Cept I?d be leaning on this poor, throbbing toenail: Painful, Purple, Festering. As for my coverage, they say no: This is a pre-existing toe. My policy excludes All things pre-existing. So if I want the claim approved, The toe will have to be removed, Which they believe may keep The problem from persisting.   This makes my doctor quite irate. Why should he have to amputate? In his opinion, this condition could Be better handled. And as for me?I don?t know... I?d kinda like to keep the toe. I spent a fortune on these Gorgeous Gucci sandals - Sexy, Size 6, Retail. I have been waiting patiently. Why aren?t you listening to me? Can?t you see that it?s Trying my endurance? I?m only asking to be heard. "Hostage" is such an ugly word! I would much prefer Living Health Insurance.     I want the orthopedic shoe. I want the Prozac approved, too! This managed care is managing To make me hostile. You?ve put me off far too long! I?ll fix your ass; I?ll write a song About a nine-toed woman Who goes postal! Crazy, Uzi, Bell tower...   You can hear a snippet of the song(Track 4) here:   http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Bitchin-Four-Babes/dp/B00004SQZR/ref=sr_1_4/102-2194791-5206536?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1186161629&sr=1-4     Also, the song is performed on the group?s DVD(see below).     In closing, I urge you not to give up the fight.
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